|From: “paulah” <paula@…>
Subject: FW: Thought you might want to know…
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:06:10 -0700
>From: paulah [mailto:paula@…]
>Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:50 PM
>Cc: Tonweya4@…; Vivian High Elk; ‘huhoogle@..‘;
>’ddupris3@…‘; ‘alexwp@…‘; ‘lakota1@…‘;
>’cartercamp@…‘; ‘elgato63@…‘; ‘Scotttreaty@…‘;
>’antoine_pj@…‘; Beatrice Lookinghorse
>Subject: FW: look for your name floyd.
> (Rick, since you are member of the
>forward this to their site.)
>Glen Walker (editor, manager of groups),
>I am sure that the Pipe she holds can bring good things when prayed with
>sincerity, as all extensions of the bundle are sacred, but these people are
>clueless to her accounts clearly taken from books and hearsay, dismissing
>even Arvol’s father being totally negligent to let it leave??? Again, Arvol
>recalls that Pipe, it is Fools Crow’s Sundance Pipe. I am sure Floyd, since
>he was close to Fools Crow as well, will verify himself.
>I guess she is saying that all the “medicine men” that came after 1975 (when
>her father supposedly took it), meaning Fools Crow himself (EVERY YEAR) and
>Chauncey, including Floyd Hand, along with many many “traditional elders”,
>were all fooling themselves. How disgracefull that she openly humiliates our
>People’s integrity and is “afraid” of us on the rez, because she stereotypes
>all of our Nation as kinda being sick because we chose to grow up around our
>People in a war zone??
>As far as the C’anupa never opened, there was a re-wrapping 5 years ago, so
>it was opened and many came, but only the virgins can touch the C’anupa
>during this ceremony.
>She is against the proclamation, as she does not understand the severity of
>the abuses that are going on all over the world and the requests from the
>Elders to put the protocols back in place (that directed Arvol, not dogma),
>as far as the early 70’s (check out the pictures and what we know was going
>on in the abuses even back then). She is clearly mislead and part of that
>abuse and exploitation.
>She also married non-natives, so she dismisses anything to do with
>traditional understanding and permits anyone to do as they please, to gather
>followers of non-native decent, only. (thank tuncas’ina that is not “the Pte
>San win C’anupa”) This is our “way of life”, who we are as a “cultural”
>Indigenous Nation with roots and umbilical cord to ancestors and teachings.
>She is a surely distractor, as Alfred Bone Shirt calls them, along with this
>group that endorses by even assisting in posting her website against all our
>People as if we passed up our chance to who we are as the People of the
>One of the other main factors, on the website, she has a spirit releasing
>ceremony AFTER 10 YEARS FOR HER PARENTS, that is ludicrous, everyone knows
>that it is only 1 year if you keep a spirit, that is one of 7 scared rites,
>keeping of the soul, but for only 1 year (again misleading people or making
>The bottom line is; a Spiritual Leader has to live with his people, no
>matter what kind of nightmare or “war zone” she paints us all to be.
>She has no business quoting the Bundle’s lineage family with inaccuracy,
>that is pure disrespectfull for anyone to do that to any family.
>I am saying this with pity for her, that goes along with prayers for her
>healing as to all she relays as being true; is a lie. From what I gathered,
>not a fault of her own, but by her father, who grew up away from the rez and
>when he visited, he received something that is sacred, but misinterpreting
>as something that was not (pte san win bundle) and passed down to down her.
>It is sad….
>She need not be afraid to come one day to pray herself and like everyone
>else, like Fools Crow, and she will find out. I have a feeling though that
>this is engrained in her for so long that she will continue to live in her
>lie and not be brave to find out the truth.
>From: Vivian High Elk [mailto:vivianhighelk@…]
>Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:37 PM
>To: paula@..; pteole@…
>Cc: huhoogle@..; ddupris3@…; alexwp@…;
>lakota1@…; cartercamp@…; elgato63@…;
>Scotttreaty@…; antoine_pj@…; blookinghorse@…;
>Subject: RE: look for your name floyd.
>Mitakuyepi, (my relatives)
>The more I read into this, I really want to use constructive criticism,
>though I try to remain calm about it, I feel I need to speak out a little
>more. I live here in Green Grass. My Lakota name is Unpa Waste Win, (Good
>Elk Woman), I descend from the family of the keepers of the Cannupa. I also
>descend from Big Foot,the Ho hwoju leader. I feel I have a right to say
>something here about this Suzanne Dupris/Dupree website and what she
>promotes of herself. I have been a part of this International Sundance
>since the beginning. I do not recall this lady, but I believe I was born
>in that same year she was born. I am what is known as a full blood Lakota,
>I feel I know my identity to some extent, my culture and ceremonies. I’ve
>lived almost a full culturally oriented lifestyle here in Green Grass. No
>matter how sacred (wakan) we try to be just for recognition, spirits dont
>recognize this type of lifestyle. You need to know your language for the
>spirits to recognize you, as the spirits are ancestors that only recognize
>you through the language in our ceremonies. Our ancestors (spirits) were
>afraid of even having their pictures taken much less documented as they
>along with Crazy Horse didn’t want their spirits captured through even a
>photo. We are believers in a sacredness, especially during our ceremonies
>and everyday life. We are a people that believe in a “natural law.” We do
>not play on our ceremonies or there can be severe consequences. When the
>Sundance was going on here in Green Grass,I remember alot of it was misused
>as their were people taking pictures, recording, people brought weapons,
>people were snagging, etc. for the first few years, thats how it was, at the
>end of each Sundance, the people would go down to the Sacred Calf Pipe to
>pray before parting from Green Grass to continue their destination. This
>went on like that for a couple of years. So what this Suzanne is claiming is
>not the truth as the ORIGINAL SACRED CALF PIPE remained in the same area
>where it sits presently, it never did leave the area to even go to the
>Sundance grounds. If anyone has questions on our lineage (Bad Warrior/Elk
>Head/Looking Horse)of our family of the keepers, you are welcome to contact
>me so I can give accurate information, as I see some dicrepancies in this
>documentation. Pila ma ya pi. Vivian High Elk
> >From: “paulah” <paula@…>
> >To: “‘Vivian High Elk'” <vivianhighelk@…>,<pteole@…>
> >Subject: RE: look for your name floyd.
> >Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:08:10 -0700
> >Now that I have read most of this to Arvol, it is plain that the Pipe
> >is Fools Crow’s, of course all are called “sacred pipe”. That is the
> >Sundance Pipe, period. Her father must have interpreted this as “the sacred
> >this is what she learned, passed to her and now she is mis-interpreting
> >even the lineage, as you have documentation Vivian, as incorrect. A
> >woman raised somewhere else, only visiting occasionally is holding the
> >C’anupa, HOLAY!
> >The sadness of this, as this discussion on
> >Indigenous_Peoples_literature, actually speculating her authenticity of
> >humiliating a whole Nation and the many people that have come here to
> >receive help and know that this is bundle is real.
> >She believes her father’s words and misinterpretation.
>From: Natalie/Floyd Hand [mailto:pteole@..]
>Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 5:23 PM
>Subject: Re: look for your name floyd.
>Paula: Floyd hasn’t seen this yet, but he will get a good laugh out of it.
>In 1971, Floyd was only 35 yrs. old, not an “elder” as this lady says. As
>you and Vivian have stated, all c’anupa are wakan. Clearly, she has
>misinterpreted what was told to her. Just another one looking for power.
> >—–Original Message—–
> >From: Vivian High Elk [mailto:vivianhighelk@…]
> >Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:29 PM
> >To: paula@..; pteole@..
> >Subject: RE: look for your name floyd.
> >Paula, I was just looking and reading over some of this woman’s account.
> >scared me to see pictures of a ceremony, you/we know as well not to
> >record, take pictures of ceremonies, etc. Even to be discussing them.
> >etc. This to me is like bragging. My father use to say: makis he
> >wo’inapeke ki, tuwe heni hena hel ici page sni, nais ihan’ han s’e
> >iwogla ke sni . Cannupa ki he lila wakan, tuwe heni ikceya wayang ye
> >sni,cante ojula wica yala kte heca. These are not to be discussed like
> >this, this is something really fearsome, nobody talks about this type
> >of (cannupa) sacredness like a common conversation, you cannot just go
> >to see the pipe out of curiosity, your heart has to be in it, believe
> >in it. The cannupa is a spirit and alive here in Pejito Wakpa.
> >Maybe, she is played by all of this, as my father use to say, beware,
> >if you don’t believe in it, don’t go near it, if you play with it, it
> >will play on you too. Maybe she needs to be educated on what we hold
> >sacred, and these are, not bragging tools! Le miye ye. Vivian
> > >From: “paulah” <paula@..>
> > >To: “Floyd Hand” <pteole@…>
> > >Subject: look for your name floyd.
> > >Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:22:59 -0700
> > >
> > >Floyd, This is a woman claiming to have the original pipe, given
> > >through Fools Crow with extensive history, most inaccurate. ON the
> > >home page click on link, “how the pipe came”, it has your name on
> > >there, seemingly verifying the original pipe was being used with a
> > >picture of it, do you recall this or Fools Crow giving this
> > >information to this woman? Arvol has not seen this yet, I will show him
>when he returns.
> > >
> > >We are at a sad state, our sacred sites, our ceremonies, our c’anupa
> > >is being assaulted. I asked Arvol when our men were going to stand
> > >and approach these people with much claims as Akicita (another
> > >was’ic’u woman just arose with Charles Chips claiming great guidance
> > >with Pte San win, promoted and supported in Pine Ridge). Arvol has
> > >been dealing with this and the AIM men should be.
> > >
> > > <http://www.lookingbackwoman.com/home.html>
> > >http://www.lookingbackwoman.com/home.html